[PGI instructors] Cert/Recert Requirements

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Steve,

Thank you for the clarification.

Mike

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From: shubing at tznet.com
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [PGI instructors] Cert/Recert Requirements
To: PGI Instructors List <instructors at kclo3.com>, Brian 
<Klapper_11 at yahoo.com>, Chuck Decker <DJDecker at aol.com>, Deb Pfaff 
<debpfaff at wi.rr.com>, Doug Henderson <fireworks at charter.net>, Jim 
Biersach <jimpyro at hobbyhorse.com>, Ron Duewel <LMDRED at comcast.net>

> Hi
> 
> Being a Pharmacist I have to have to document 14 hours of CE every 
> year to maintain my license.  Other professions have similar 
> requirements.  Based on this experience I define CE as education 
> you have taken that pertains to the ?business? your seeking the CE 
> for.  Now in the area of Pharmacy the Board of Pharmacy approves 
> seminars, professional literature, classes, etc as being CE 
> qualified and also determines how many CE hours it?s worth.
> 
> That being said, we can apply this process to the CE needed to re-
> certify our PGI Display Operators certificate.
> 
> I have had some discussion on this subject with John Steinberg and 
> this is what I have taken away from those discussions.
> 
> Each person seeking recertification need to have 8 total hours of 
> continuing education (CE) that pertains to setting up and shooting 
> a fireworks display.
> 
> The PGI as being the governing body for PGI Display Operators 
> course has not yet refined the process to where they approve all 
> the types of CE that a recertifying person could persue.  In the 
> absence of that guidance, it?s up to each person, on the honor 
> system to determine if the education they are getting would 
> qualify as CE toward their 8 total hours of CE.
> 
> John as said that CE can be gotten an hour (maybe even less) at a 
> time.  So if you would attend a 1 hour DOT seminar at a PGI 
> convention about transporting fireworks, that would be 1 hour of 
> CE you could document toward your 8 total hours of CE needed.
> 
> If you audit a PGI Display Operators course (you don?t have to 
> take the test) and you are in the class for 4 hours, then you get 
> 4 hours of CE.  In this example you wouldn?t have to audit the 
> entire class and you only get the CE hours for the number of hours 
> you had audited the class.
> 
> If you attend a 2 hour local club seminar on chaining shells, then 
> you get 2 hours of CE.
> 
> If you attend a local display companies instruction class on how 
> to set up and shoot their shows safely for 3 hours then you get 3 
> hours of CE.
> 
> Get the idea.
> 
> Now as I (and John) said above, what qualifies for CE is, at this 
> point,  on the honor system.  You attend classes or seminars and 
> you determine if the education pertained to the setting up and 
> shooting of a fireworks display and then you document it as such.  
> It would be best to get the sign off on the CE from the people 
> giving the classes, but from what I understand you don?t need to 
> do this because it?s on the honor system.
> 
> Again, think of the intent of getting the CE.  What we want to do 
> is show AHJs and other governing bodies that we have continued to 
> get education about setting up and shooting a fireworks display 
> and our knowledge isn?t getting old.
> 
> John --- is the above explanation accurate?
> 
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:51:25 -0500, Mark-Stephen Woodburn wrote
> > Hi Deb,
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> > Way # 1: Would only NOT qualify as it is written ONLY IF the 
> State did not offer EIGHT hours of training in connection with the 
> State mandated course. IF it did not (say you only go in and take 
> a quickie test and pay your fees for the next year) you would 
> still need to prove a full eight hours some other way (#s 1 and 2).
> 
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> > Way # 2: If it is a company mandated safety course that takes a 
> workday, it will qualify. The Company sponsored programs I have 
> seen, DO take the day.
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> > Way # 3: PGI Training as we all teach it also takes a minimum of 
> 8 hours and of course, qualifies.
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> > I don?t see how you would normally ?split? these up. If you take 
> the PGI course again, it is not an option to take only half of it 
> but if opting for the other two, if the State Course was say, 3 
> hours and the Company course made up at least 5 more hours, (it?s 
> a rather strange scenario) but combined (and documented) that 
> should also do.
> 
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> > All three of the above are examples of continuing education 
> already. Could you clarify what you mean by the continuing 
> education or auditing credits?
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> > Also, to re-certify, they must have the required experience 
> shows worked within the past 3 years (during their current active 
> DOC term).
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> > Hope this helps.
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> > Mark Woodburn
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> > From: instructors-bounces at kclo3.com [mailto:instructors-
> bounces at kclo3.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Pfaff
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:40 PM
> > To: instructors at kclo3.com
> > Subject: [PGI instructors] Cert/Recert Requirements
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> > Greetings,
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> > The PGI specifies 3 ways to re-certify, as published in the PGI 
> Bulletin, PGI Mailing List and the 2007 Study Guide, and 
> expressly  states that candidates may choose ONE of these options.  
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> >  
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> > 
> > 1) Documenting completion of eight hours of pyrotechnic 
> education obtained by attending a required program provided for 
> renewal of a state pyrotechnic operator's   license,
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> > 2) Documenting completion of eight hours of pyrotechnic 
> education obtained by attending a program provided by a company or 
> organization that you fire displays for,
> 
> > 3) Documenting that you have repeated and passed the current PGI 
> display operators training program at a PGI approved course.
> 
> > *****There is no mention, one way or another, as to  the option 
> of continuing education (CE) and/or auditing credits.  Is there 
> some clarification on this that could be made public?     
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> > Must all training come from only "One" of the above choices?
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> > Lots of Pyros have questions and guidance will be appreciated.
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> > -Deb
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